I think my experience with the wireless network was on the lower end of the scale, perhaps in part due to the fact that I am using an older laptop and Cisco 340 card with 802.11b only. I also run FreeBSD, so that put me outside the norms. The wireless network worked great on Saturday and most of Sunday, but ran into trouble as the population grew. As a consequence, I spent some time working with the NOC folks after they invited assistance to investigate problem situations. They explained to me that the equipment used in this network has dumb access points hooked to centralized controllers. Those controllers implement or proxy the DHCP and ARP functions. Furthermore, DHCP, ARP and data packet forwarding are separate functional paths through the controller which can independently work better or worse. That can result in surprising behavior relative to a more traditional functional decomposition into separate boxes. For example, a number of times I got an address from DHCP, but could not ARP the first-hop router. Some of the improvements over the days came from turning off features such as one that tries to protect against address use by sources that had not obtained an address via DHCP. In the later days, I still had problems becomming disassociated, but always when associated I got DHCP, ARP and packet flow. I noticed that performance was always fine once the session was over and most people shut down their connections. One hypothesis was that limits were reached in various state tables in the controller. Only the vendor could know about those details for sure. But I draw the conclusion that this particular system may not be ready yet to scale to the density of radio participants at the IETF meeting. -- Steve _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf