Re: Consensus? #746 3.4 IAOC decision making

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"if consensus cannot be achieved, the decision will be made by voting" seems simplest to me.

It leaves the IAOC in control of how it decides that it cannot achieve consensus - and, in particular, I think it leaves it free to decide to shelve a decision until consensus can be achieved if THAT is appropriate - which I think was the intent of "some decisions".

Sheer wordsmithing: Would you consider "If the IAOC cannot achieve consensus, the IAOC may decide by voting" to be reasonable?

Note the change of "will" to "may" - reinforcing the point above - and, mostly as a matter of style, using active voice.

                 Harald

--On torsdag, januar 13, 2005 17:54:29 -0500 John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Harald,

Close, but "no".  You don't want to say "some decisions may be
made by voting" since it leaves a loose end about how that
decision is made.  You might say any of

	"...the IAOC may, by consensus, conclude that it should
	make a particular decision by voting"  or
	
	"...the IAOC chair may decide to resolve a particular
	matter by voting" or
	
	"...if the IAOC concludes that the matter should be
	resolved, rather than continuing discussion until
	consensus can be achieved, the decision will be made by
	voting"

   "..., the decision will be made by voting."

or, any of probably a dozen other things, noting that none of
the above are the same in practical terms.  But please don't say
"some decisions" and leave the question as to how to determine
which are appropriate to fall into "some" completely open.  That
just invites time-wasting procedural haggling.

   john


--On Thursday, 13 January, 2005 23:20 +0100 Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

It seems that we are now more-or-less agreed that "less is
more" when it comes to quorum, majority rules and so on -
here's a proposed minimum version of what is in section 3.4:

3.4  IAOC Decision Making

   The IAOC attempts to reach all decisions unanimously.  If
unanimity
   cannot be achieved, some decisions may be made by voting.

[...]

OK?










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