Re: The process/WG/BCP/langtags mess...

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> From: Vernon Schryver <vjs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: The process/WG/BCP/langtags mess...

> That's fine, but does suggest some questions:
> 
>  - Is the Last Call over?
> 
>  - If so, was its result "no supporting consensus"?
> 
>  - If the result was "no supporting consensus", will the current
document
>      nevertheless be published as a BCP?
> 
>  - If the result was "no supporting consensus", will a revision of
>     the document be published as a BCP without a new Last Call?
> 
> Last week I saw a comment that seemed to answer first question with
Yes.
> If the answers to the other questions are not Yes, No, and No, then
> as others have said, the IETF has far more serious process problems
> than how to account for the expenses of the to be hired help.

This is comment is a general one rather than being directed toward the
particular case at hand. It seems to me that your comment is making a
presumption, as a participant on the IETF list, regarding what the
outcome of the question regarding result must be. Perhaps I am wrong,
but I would have thought it is the role of the IESG to make that
determination, not members of this list; and if that is the case I would
certainly think it possible for them to weigh concerns that have been
raised against responses provided and reach a conclusion that there has
been adequate disposition of the comments raised. Again, I am not saying
that in this case I think that is what the IESG will or might or should
do; only that in general I would think it is something that they *could*
do, in which case the outcome of their decision even when concerns have
been raised cannot be assumed a priori.


> If outside groups can publish IETF BCPs without the let, leave, or
> hindrance of the IETF, then the honest thing to do is to get rid
> of all of that tiresome WG stuff.

No outside group is doing this.



> On the other hand, if the answers are Yes, Yes, No, and No, then
> contrary to the other person's request, there is no good reason to
> talk about the language tags document here and now.

I agree that a yes to the first question -- is the last call closed? --
would appear to be adequate grounds for there to be no further
discussion on this list in relation to the I-D in question. Whether
there may be grounds for discussing other process-related questions
possibly including the area of work to which this I-D pertained is, of
course, a separate question.


Peter Constable

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