Re: individual submission Last Call -- default yes/no.

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Mmmmm

My take is that by the time we get to last call, we may be trying to
do - are IMHO in the case of the I-D that kicked this off - things that
were better done earlier.

I can track I-Ds courtesy of the IETF mauling list (whoops Freudian
slip:-) and can take it upon myself to read them but may still have no
idea where - if anywhere - a discussion is taking place by whom and I
may be prevented from taking part in that discussion anyway; and for me
that is the lack of openness that is at the heart of the problem

I believe any individual submission should have a publicly identified,
publicly accessible mailing list, perhaps listed in the I-D
announcement, so that we can raise issues, hopefully resolve them,
before last call.  Then a default yes could make sense.

Tom Petch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Hardie" <hardie@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Dave Crocker" <dcrocker@xxxxxxxx>; "Harald Tveit Alvestrand"
<harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: individual submission Last Call -- default yes/no.


> At 9:00 AM -0800 1/10/05, Dave Crocker wrote:
> >
> >The way to make it obvious that there is serious community support
> >for adopting an individual submission is to require that the support
> >be demonstrated ON THE RECORD.
> >
> >d/
>
> And the point I'm trying to make is that there are multiple records.
> When we have
> a mailing list like "ietf-types" or "ietf-languages" where there is a
long term
> community of interest around a specific issue, should a discussion
there
> be taken into account when assessing an individual submission?  I
think
> the answer is "it depends" and certainly may be "yes".  It should not
over-ride
> other discussion or be given extraordinary weight, but I do think that
the
> evidence there of interest, support, and consideration of issues
raised should
> be taken into account.  That's why I believe saying "default yes" or
> "default no"
> at Last Call is too black and white.
>
> I suggest that we try to include pointers to these discussions in
> the Last Call text, so that the community has the transparency it
needs
> to assess these previous discussions.  That will require a change in
> behavior, though, as I've been told by several senior folk that they
> don't read the Last Call additional text at all if the draft name
alone
> convinces them they need to read the document; this was in the context
> of the considerable additional explanatory text included with the
> langtags "New Last Call".  Other suggestions on how to highlight this
> to the community reviewing a document at Last Call are more than
> welcome.
> regards,
> Ted Hardie
>
>
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