John C Klensin wrote:
--On Sunday, 26 December, 2004 08:35 -0500 Margaret Wasserman
<margaret@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I'd remove everything after the comma. There is no
>> clear concept of what duties and responsibilities would
>> normally be associated with such a position, and you
>> have specific responsibilities and limits listed later.
No change made. It had quite some discussion during rev 01.
And we then seemed to have agreed (to me at least) on taking
the text from the IAB doc (RFC2850, sect 3.1) and not fiddle
with the words (as had been done earlier).
So after that earlier discussion on the text, I do not see
this as just an editorial change.
I personally still object, as I don't (personally) have a
clear concept of what duties and responsibilities would
normally be associated with the role of IAOC Chair. Would you
consider this person to be a peer with the IETF Chair and the
IAB Chair, for instance?
Note, first, that we have never clarified whether the IETF Chair
and the IAB Chair are peers. As a former IAB Chair, I have an
opinion on that subject, but it might differ from the opinions
(and certainly differs from some occasional practices) of prior
IETF Chairs.
Speaking pragmatically and based on some experience with general
organizational behavior as well as that of the IETF... Not
having this issue absolutely clear will, sooner or later, lead
to a power struggle of some flavor unless the IAOC Chair rotates
at a fairly high rate, i.e., the position is clearly one of
"chair of current meeting or teleconf", not "Chair of the IAOC".
And, while Carl will probably consider that potential power
struggle as an edge case too, I think the odds of it occurring
and consuming a lot of energy unnecessarily are high enough that
it would be good to get this clarified and to be sure that the
community is signed up on the clarification.
Well, I took the phrase in the IAB Charter (inherited from RFC 1358
via RFC 1601) mainly to refer to conduct of the meetings - but in reality
the IAB and IETF Chairs both find themselves acting as external
representatives. Perhaps we do indeed need to explicitly limit the
IAOC Chair to chairing the IAOC. But we almost do - the following paragraph
says:
The chair of the IAOC shall have the authority to manage the
activities and meetings of the IAOC. The IAOC Chair has no formal
duty to represent the IAOC, except as directed by IAOC consensus.
Isn't this enough?
Brian
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