--On Wednesday, 22 December, 2004 09:25 -0500 Scott Bradner <sob@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Brian suggested: > Just another thought on this. Perhaps there is a formulation > something like > > IAOC decisions are taken by a majority of the > non-conflicted IAOC members who are available to vote in > person, by teleconference, or by email. > > this would deal with my issue - thanks Brian It doesn't quite work for me, partially because the problem that a few others have raised bothers me. I've been in situations in which the number of people who have to recuse themselves, plus the number of people who are inaccessible, gets the number of potential voters down to a _very_ small number. And I'm not happy with one or two people making any decision that would be hard to undo unless there is a real emergency. It is interesting that there is a well-established legislative history in a number of jurisdictions to deal with just this sort of problem. The mechanism is have "normal" voting rules and rules for emergency situations, with the declaration of an emergency requiring a separate, supermajority, vote. If I work for GreedyCorp, I presumably have to recuse myself on a vote as to whether or not to give them a contract, but I'm presumably still competent to participate in a decision as to whether that contract requires immediate action or can wait until more people are available. So I would modify the above to include some minimum condition, i.e., to make the statement something like IAOC decisions are taken by a majority of the non-conflicted IAOC members who are available to vote in person, by teleconference, or by email. However, except in an emergency situation, no decision may be taken with less than <condition> of the IAOC available to vote. Declaration of an emergency requires a 2/3 majority of the IAOC members available to vote after all members have been notified of the possibility of that action. Of course, the "emergency" provision, and the assumption that people who had conflicts with the substantive matter would not need to recuse themselves in a vote to declare an emergency, could be abused. But abuse of that variety would, I hope, be a more than sufficient condition for a speedy recall action. "<condition>" could be as simple as "three" or as complicated as some requirement that at least one person appointed by the IETF be included on the majority side. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf