> > The average Internet user (home user or enterprise administrator) > > does not care about the end-to-end principle or the architectural > > purity of the Internet. > > Maybe not the average user, but a pretty large subset *does* > care - because t makes it extremely hard to do what they want... Yes! I think it we should not underestimate the potential demands from and desires of "average users". An average user is not my mom, and maybe not even those of "our" generation. I think an "average user", of those who really wants any kind of Internet access, actually can be found among the younger generations, who consider the Internet and all today's technologies natural parts of daily life. Even if they do not care about the e2e principle, they do care about the potential for doing any kinds of peer2peer communication, as they want to play their networking games, they want to share information, they want to try things, experiment, and be independent of what outsiders provide or want to allow (like access providers). Not all home users are demanding, some just want to surf the web, but in most households there is at least one more demanding user, and that user will be the one setting the access requirements of the household. /L-E _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf