> Kai Henningsen wrote: > Everytime someone comes up and says "but just look at how ISDN > failed", I go "Huh?! That's a strange way of spelling "was > wildly successful"! > Just because *you* still use stone-age technology ... Talking about stone-age technology: - My stone-age phone does not ring busy when I use the data at the same time. - My stone-age analog line provides me 24 times more bandwidth than yours. - My stone-age phone makes unlimited free local calls. - My stone-age analog phone line provides me with always-on data, with no per-minute charges nor call setup. As a matter of fact, it's a lot better than your modern one. >> the majority of phones and dial-up still are analog and >> now ISDN costs _more_ than DSL or cable for low-end data. > That's just ridiculous. What's ridiculous is you. Tell me, mister I-know-it-all-for-the-entire world, how does it cost to get 3mbit always-on service with a static IP over ISDN lines? Oh, I see. It's not available and you have to bond _two_ E1s to get this much bandwidth. Right on. You can't even get 128kbit always-on service for the price I pay for my 3mbit. If you are slow enough to surf the net at 64kb or 128kbit, good for you. Lots of us have a higher clock and like broadband better than dial-up speeds. > Stephen Sprunk wrote: > But that's the situation in the US... DSL/Cable are > significantly cheaper and faster than ISDN, often by a > factor of 10x or more per kbps. It's not only in the US. In France for 30 euros/month you get up to 15mbit down/1megabit up and free VOIP with hook to the PSTN on the regular phone line. In Sweden and Norway they have monthly plans in the same range as the US, _and_ they don't cap the amount of data transferred (we're talking about 8megabit with no quota for $40 a month, great for hardcore file swappers). In South Korea they get good stuff too I hear. Michel. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf