-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "Bill" == Bill Sommerfeld <sommerfeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: >> I'm with ESR on this one. The W3C bit the bullet and built a >> patent/IPR policy that has integrity and is based on the notion >> that the Net works properly when important components can be >> built by un-funded independents without worrying about getting >> their asses sued by someone with a patent portfolio. If the IETF >> wants to ignore history and build an Internet where that doesn't >> hold, feel free, but it's not a very interesting kind of place. >> -Tim Bill> the question of interest to an IETF working group is whether Bill> the existance of a particular IPR claim is a barrier to Bill> adoption of the technology. Bill> Many IPR claims are bogus. yet, I've tried to have this conversation SEVERAL times in the IPsec WG wrt both the Certicom claim and the Microsoft NAT-T claims. In both cases, I've been told that I'm not a lawyer. Bill> If there is WG consensus that the IPR claim does not serve as Bill> a barrier to adoption, we should not delay work on a standard Bill> until the IPR claim is definitively proven bogus in the Bill> courts. I don't think that the question was ever properly asked. - -- ] "Elmo went to the wrong fundraiser" - The Simpson | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQCVAwUBQXf9gIqHRg3pndX9AQGJhAP+ImO04V7B5zJexktkjBH5eL2AQtuiJeRk ohphsAiRW2cCLD7OJ/FmSIFQktpv7eyoBmTzs1IWbH4Ozi/y8q/f8JlWhEshM8wc /BM+v1EGJdnG7SLEboMxGKwdobAuVOdbMLuHDMEZit0+8EF9PSyVdCOsfaPkFmUV MrlwdgxQino= =nLse -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf