Brian E Carpenter <brc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > I don't think we can require the IESG to negotiate anything. There are > all kinds of legal issues there. To my knowledge, both WGs and the IESG > do think carefully about this, but often conclude that the default IETF > conditions (RAND) are realistic and acceptable. If IETF continues to believe this, groups like Apache and Debian will continue to have to end-run IETF by doing the job of defending the Internet commons that IETF is abdicating, and IETF's authority will evaporate. It is not 1982 or even 1992 any more. Conditions have changed dramatically. I would hate to see IETF dwindle into irrelevance, but that is exactly where statements like this are pointing. -- <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond</a> _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf