john-ietf@xxxxxxx (John C Klensin) wrote on 04.10.04 in <901B84E544634CC521771058@xxxxxxxxxxxx>: > understanding his point of view. By contrast, we are now seeing > a different style of position-taking and decision-making, one > that terrifies me. The new style involves assertions of the > "rights" of the people who occupy IESG and IAB seats (because > they are in those seats) instead of explanation and openness Frankly, I see a lot more of that from the community than from the leadership, at least in the current debate. > with the community about details and options, and involves > (virtually) shouting "wrong" instead of engaging in discussion > and persuasion. This looks to me like a distinction without a difference. Or put differently, this "WRONG" is an invitation to explain why it isn't actually wrong. It's certainly not their job to explain your side of it. Instead, you start a meta-debate. Seems to me it's you not following through on your own principles. MfG Kai _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf