John, > In this context, my precise objection to what is going on now > rests on a comparison with that style of leadership. Jon's > style involved persuasion, logic, facts, and trying to > understand the point of view of those with whom he disagreed. > Like you, I disagreed with some of his positions and decisions, > and I found him quite stubborn when he thought he was right (not > always a bad trait), but I could almost always end up > understanding his point of view. By contrast, we are now seeing > a different style of position-taking and decision-making, one > that terrifies me. The new style involves assertions of the > "rights" of the people who occupy IESG and IAB seats (because > they are in those seats) instead of explanation and openness > with the community about details and options, and involves > (virtually) shouting "wrong" instead of engaging in discussion > and persuasion. Perhaps the IETF traditional motto, "rough consensus and working code" should be revised to make it clear that the "rough consensus" goes only up to a certain point, but after that point the IETF operates solely by a decree from the IESG. Yakov. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf