there seems to be an assertion of evil intent here that is not the case 1/ the IETF requests the mininum rights from an author that it can get away with so that the author can have maximun flexability with the author's own text - see section 7.1 The non-exclusive rights that the IETF needs are: a. the right to publish the document b. the right to let the document be freely reproduced in the formats that the IETF publishes it in c. the right to let third parties translate it into languages other than English d. except where explicitly excluded (see Section 5.2), the right to make derivative works within the IETF process. e. the right to let third parties extract some logical parts, for example MIB modules The authors retain all other rights, but cannot withdraw the above rights from the IETF/ISOC. 2/ part of what the IETF asks for is for the ability to create revised versions of the document (e.g. to create new versions of a standard) within the IETF process - the IETF is not interested in helping 3rd parties create new versions of IETF standards without the IETF's involvement (we do not think its a good thing for someone else to create a revised version of TCP and then claim its the only truse version) - the author can authrize such a new version if the author wants to but there has to be a specific OK 3/ the IETF is quite interested in letting people create manuals etc - there is no intent to limit the ability for a 3rd party to reproduce RFCs or parts of RFCs in manuals I do not see any problem for the open source community unless that community wants to create a new version of TCP and take parts of existing IETF RFCs to include in its description of their revised TCP Scott _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf