On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 09:08:05AM +1300, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 13-Nov-24 03:19, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > I want to raise my concerns with the community feedback deadlines > > defined by NomCom 2024 which was 11/2/2024 for online-feedback and "end-of-IETF-week" > > for in-person feedback. In addition, the message during the plenary was that > > the online feedback during IETF121 was open ... but not guaranteed to be taken into > > account". > > The call for feedback went out on October 11 (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/6XqP9P52L3J1lyL9v7ALEYLjx2g/). I agree that 3 weeks is a bit short when everybody is getting ready for a meeting - a full month might be better - but it's not as if you only had a few days. These are just the tree most busy weeks before IETF meeting, writing drafts, preparing WG, presentations, side-meetings, travel, etc. pp. And even the fourth week if if was given is still in the same bucket. I really a week after IETF is required to collect better feedback. I also don't think that being in NomCom i would like to be rushed into making decisions at the end of a very busy IETF week. I did not have to do this during the two NomCom i participated in, and i don't think it is a good thing to rush the process this much. I for once would certainly like to regurgitate all the feedback and discussion during the week afterwards before having a half-way sensible opinion. And finally, show me the stats about feedback for different IETF showing how much time was given for each, and then we can talk more. This NomCom has experimented with a new schedule, lets see if/how we can evaluate it! Cheers Toerless > Brian > > > I was going back through a longer range of past NomCom, and this is the > > earliest deadline i could find. Dean explained to me at the end of the week > > that he would like to reduce the work of NomCom this way and thinks this could > > help get more volunteers for NomCom. > > > > IMHO most participants who will provide feedback are also active contributors and > > hence often busy in the last weeks before IETF, writing drafts, preparing meetings > > or meeting materials. > > > > In addition, they themselves might like to use the in-person meeting to get more > > insight talking to others before providing feedback. In addition, distinguishing > > between in-person and online feedback also feels wrong. As does "not guaranteed > > to be taken into account" > > > > I propose that the deadline for NomCom feedback should be friday OEB after > > IETF week. This gives one more week to give feedback and then one more week > > for NomCom to do the final calls with the "votes" before e.g.: USA thanksgiving. > > > > Alternatively, run the current deadlines as an experiment for 2 more years and > > see if it actually did significantly increase the amount of NomCom volunteers. > > > > If not, declare the experiment finished. Likewise of course it would make sense > > to measure the number of feedbacks (this was AFAIK not listed on the plenary > > slides). I specifically would like to see the number of feddbacks this year > > compared to the prior years. > > > > Overall, i don't think these current deadlines reduce the amount of work for NomCom. > > I also was voting member in two past NomComs, and i did not perceive the > > calls after autumn IETF to be too much work. > > > > Cheers > > Toerless > > > > In-Reply-To: <172866961643.447204.10306642775124906859@dt-datatracker-78dc5ccf94-w8wgc> > > > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 11:00:16AM -0700, NomCom Chair 2024 wrote: > > > Hi IETF, > > > > > > The nomination period has ended, and the 2024 NomCom is now accepting feedback on nominees for the IAB members, IESG Area Directors, IETF Trust trustees, and IETF LLC Board.directors. > > > > > > The list of nominees for the 2024-2025 cycle is available at: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2024/feedback/ > > > > > > The online feedback form attributes your feedback to you in a way that all NomCom members can see. If you prefer greater anonymity, you can ask someone else to submit feedback on your behalf. Anyone is welcome to contact me or any trusted NomCom member to request that we submit anonymous feedback for you. The NomCom will respect the confidentiality of the feedback you provide. > > > > > > Feedback will remain open until November 2, 2024. We may accept feedback after that date, but we cannot guarantee it will be reviewed. > > > > > > Thank you in advance for your feedback—we truly value it and appreciate the time you take to provide it. > > > > > > Dean Bogdanovic > > > IETF NomCom Chair 2024 > > > nomcom-chair-2024@xxxxxxxx > > -- --- tte@xxxxxxxxx
