[Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: Re: SMTP threat models, SECDIR Review of draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5321bis-31

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On Fri, Nov 01, 2024 at 03:33:56PM -0400, Michael StJohns wrote:

> >     This command, described in RFC 821, raises important security issues
> >     since, in the absence of strong authentication of the host requesting
> >     that the client and server switch roles, it can easily be used to
> >     divert mail from its correct destination.  Its use is deprecated;
> >     SMTP systems SHOULD NOT use it unless the server can authenticate the
> >     client.
> 
> In this new version of the document - perhaps we make this more directive? 
> E.g. either prohibit it (obsolete it) entirely, or do a MUST be rejected
> unless provided inside a client-cert authenticated TLS session or be more
> specific about what "authenticate the client" means?

That's what ODMR <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2645#section-5.2.1>
is about.  We now have:

    - TURN long obsolete, plausibly no longer implemented by any MTAs.

    - ETRN, nudge to drain the queue over a separate fresh connection
      (or multiple connections).  [ Postfix includes ETRN support by
      default for deferred mail to domains listed in $fast_flush_domains. ]

    - ATRN (ODMR) (don't know which MTAs might support this).

      * Multi-recipient mailboxes with "fetchmail" were not long ago a
        somewhat popular alternative.  This alternative works well if
        the connectivity is so intermittent as to risk deferred mail
        bouncing after exceeding the retry time.

> I'm now kind of curious how many SMTP servers still support TURN.

None of the mainstream usual suspects.

-- 
    Viktor.

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