On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 03:03:02PM -0700, Joe Touch wrote: > > Even the IETF distinguishes between normative refs and non-normative > (though it has a penchant for wanting to redefine those words too). > Private correspondence is not citable as a normative ref, nor are > (currently) IDs. > > Put them up in a public archive and that assertion is no longer true. It > becomes appropriate to use them as normative refs. > Private correspondence does not be come citable as a normative reference just because someone makes a web-archive of their e-mail available. Neither does making I-D's publically available past their expiration point make it "legal" for them to be referrenced in RFC's. If you are referring to people outside of the standards process referencing expired I-D's, there are people doing this today, and even shipping product today, based on expired I-D's. It seems unlikely to me that making such an archive available in a public fashion (especially given that they are available today already if you know where to look in the .iso images of the IETF proceedings-on-cdrom) will likely change the future frequency of such "illegal" references to I-D's. - Ted _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf