Re: llc/iesg: query about IETF120 and Visas

[David Lake <d.lake=40surrey.ac.uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

It gets even more ‘exciting’ as a UK citizen when you come from a country where carrying ID is not required and you don’t even have to give your name (or real name) to a police officer if you choose not to (the same is true for visitors – you do NOT need to carry a passport or ID document with you when visiting the UK and no-one is allowed to demand that you show identification on request, even when driving).

 

In fact, due to the Common Travel Area, if I travel to Ireland (or an Irish national travels to the UK), neither of us need any form of ID and both can freely enter the country with any kind of report to ‘authorities.’

 

So it is bizarre in this instance that a non-involved foreign country’s government would care about a UK national (or in fact any non-US national) attending a conference held in Ireland!

David

 

From: Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke=40cisco.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, 2 October 2024 at 13:44
To: Jay Daley <exec-director@xxxxxxxx>, S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: llc/iesg: query about IETF120 and Visas

Jay,

 

First of all: thank you for the open discussion.

 

> We are obliged under US law to check the name of everyone who registers for a meeting with a number of US government databases and

> if one of those names is a match we are then obliged to check the identity of that person to determined if they are the sanctioned individual.  

 

To be honest, reading the above text is rather puzzling [1] to say the least. As written by Adrian, I am even shocked that an EU-based meeting in Dublin must be vetted by the Government of the USA for an international organization such as the IETF/IRTF. Curious to see how it will apply to the IETF-125 meeting...

 

I understand that:

1.      The IETF LLC is incorporated in the USA

2.      Most banks/credit cards will refuse payments from some countries

3.      None of the IETF participants should probably appear on this sanction list

 

Having written this, I am unsure how to address this ‘annoying’ [1] process.

 

Regards

 

-éric

 

[1] my English knowledge prevents me to find the right word though