Hello, On 6/11/24 11:52 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
And, btw, I think we need to be very careful about proposals for blanket bans as well. We have several examples in the history of the IETF of people who have regularly been unprofessional, obnoxious, and disruptive but who have still made important technical contributions, maybe ones that no one else could have made. I think it is entirely appropriate to leave the decision of whether the advantages of the latter outweigh the disadvantages of having to put up with the former up to each WG and its leadership. We might tune things to let WGs opt out of a ban rather than requiring them to opt in, but let's not eliminate the option.
Yes, blanket bans are a bad idea. I have a PR action against me that is still in effect (in spite of my requests to have it lifted) on 4 IETF lists. Ironically I had not posted on one of them for over a year and the 3 others for the 9 months preceding the PR Action against me-- didn't someone say the IETF is very slow in acting :-) And in spite of Lars' efforts to widen my ban (by emailing the IRTF chair and saying, in effect, "it's an IETF-only action but feel free to ban him if you want") the ban is on just those 4 (non-technical) lists. And that's a good thing because I have 2 I-Ds that are WG documents that I am actively working on and a blanket ban would've hindered that work. Nobody is complaining about me on IPsec or EMU or whatever other technical list I'm on. A blanket ban would also prevent me from contributing as a reviewer in the Security Area Directorate which I have been doing for decades without complaint. So let's rein this in a bit. No blanket bans. I don't know Tim McSweeney from Adam and my opinion on this last-call is pretty worthless given my current standing but unless there is a problem on a list, people should not be banned. regards, Dan. -- "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius -- last-call mailing list -- last-call@xxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to last-call-leave@xxxxxxxx
