--On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 09:11 -0700 Randy Presuhn <randy_presuhn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi - > > (top-posting) > I think John and I are in close to violent agreement. > > The devil being in the details, the question is whether > any change is needed to current boilerplate / process / > conventions (e.g. referencing specific versions of I-Ds, > just as in referencing specific versions of standards or > other documents when necessary) or whether this can be left > to the good judgement of authors / editors / working groups. > I'm inclined toward the latter, as what we have seems to > already work well enough. Randy, Let me make an observation and suggestion that, I hope, will bring us even closer to agreement. Many years ago, IANA considered it an important part of their role to evaluate the details of registration requests. Those evaluations included the quality and availability of reference documentation. If we were still operating under those rules, I'd have no trouble saying something like "good judgment of authors / editors / working groups with the advice and consent of IANA" and moving on. In its most extreme form (in Jon Postel's lifetime), any registration and any registry definition was a _request_ to IANA and such requests could be held or even rejected until any IANA concerns were satisfied. As time has passed and organizational arrangements have evolved, the IANA function has shifted more toward one in which the IETF is expected to specify exactly how registries should be set up, details of registration requirements, etc. RFC 8126 reflects some of that shift but it is nearly seven years old and recent encounters have led me to believe that IANA is getting closer to "just tell us what to do and, unless it is unclear or impractical, we will do it". That shift is not necessarily bad, but it may mean that an author/ editor / WG with a focus on its technical work (as it should be), little expertise in registry-keeping and being sure that registrations are useful, and, sometimes, in a hurry to just get done as work on a given specification draws to a close, are not the best way to make decisions about those details we used to assume IANA would take care of. Almost the same considerations would apply to Designated Experts, etc. So, given overextended ADs, I wonder if the IESG should ask for volunteers for, and select, a small advisory committee to assist IANA in evaluating registry applications, registration requests, and marginal cases, focusing on technical issues including document availability and possibly helping to oversee the "expert review" process. This would be very different from the PTI directors -- no responsibility or involvement with domain names, IP addresses, IANA or PTI administration, etc.-- just any details or questions that might arise about protocol identifiers and with responsibility for alerting the IETF community about issues that seem to them to require broader review. Would something like that make sense? john
