On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 4:07 AM Dave Cridland <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You might deplore that Google and Microsoft dominate email, but it is
certainly not because their are flooding the IETF with representatives.No, in the case of DMARC, for example, the IETF was entirely ignored and was presented with a fait accompli.
One of the serious problems with a consensus approach like in the IETF is that it can't work in the face of an insider threat. Spam was very profitable for a small number of people and there were participants in the anti-spam efforts paid by the people sending the stuff.
Nobody comes to IETF wearing a badge saying 'I am only here to stop anything being decided' but the anti-spam efforts were marked by folk with covert agendas.
Permissionless innovation means there is nobody in charge.
When the response from the IETF is 'no', people go elsewhere, that is how the system was designed to work.
