Vancouver is lovely any time of the year. Been there in January, June, and November. Clint (JOATMON) Chaplin Wireless Security Advisor Wireless Standards Lead >>> Samuel Weiler <weiler@xxxxxxxxxxx> 08/01/04 19:49 PM >>> [I sent this last Tuesday and again this afternon from a non-subscribed address, but it looks like the moderator didn't approve it. Sorry if you're seeing multiple copies.] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Clearly it seems that this is irrelevant (in general) to US people, > they don't mind what they government do, good or bad, but negative > for the rest of the world. So the rest of the world should also > consider offering the same pain and wait time to the US nationals ? > I'm not asking for it, but the question is an exercise for US > nationals to understand our situation, and consider taking some > actions. Brazil already does this to US citizens, defending the action by referring the the ancient diplomatic principle of reciprocity. On the other hand, there's something to be said for countries not lowering themselves to the level of the US and instead treating visitors as they want their own citizens to be treated when traveling abroad. Beyond that, I'm not sure enough US citizens travel abroad for reciprocity to be effective: only about 21% of US citizens hold passports, and many of those probably got them for single trips -- reciprocal measures won't be seen by that many people. Perhaps a more practical course of action is to refuse to attend meetings in the US and put pressure on meeting organizers to avoiding scheduling meetings in the US. I hear Vancouver is lovely in July. -- Sam _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for computer viruses. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf