IETF is based on volunteer work. Yes, very often it is sponsored by different companies, but still all of us are volunteering to do the work. I never heard from anyone they were forced to do it because company told them to do that. There are plenty of organizations where individualism is hidden behind corporate identity and the voting system is based on the corporate size, so the bigger the corporation is, the bigger the membership fee is, the more votes it has. Some of the companies tried to replicate that model in IETF, but aren’t very successful. AT IETF, everyone has to learn how to build a consensus in order to move things forward and the foundation of that process is to be open and public. Secret identities/anonymity would overly complicate/obfuscate things and it is a big question what benefits it would bring to the IETF? For decades, thousands of people don’t have any issues disclosing their technological believes related to their identities. What would stop any company to invest $300k (aprox. cost for 1000 remote participants) per meeting to push any agenda through? Thousand secret identities voting in unison for private interest of that company, not overall community/public interest. It would be cheaper than some other organizations. Each organizations has their rules. Yes rules can be always tweaked, but don’t mess with the foundations. It can create many unwanted consequences. And at the end, every organization is not for everyone. IETF tries it best to be open and welcoming to everyone. And we should continue to work on that. But don’t mess with IETF work being open and in public domain. This is one of the key foundations that makes it great and welcoming to everyone. If you are willing to join On 2 Aug 2023, at 16:11, Patrik Fältström wrote: >> 2 aug. 2023 kl. 18:43 skrev jordi.palet=40theipv6company.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: >> >> So no allowing the participants to hide their identity or not be present in attendance list is not enforceable, because we don’t check authenticity of people. Is then the “enforcing" possible? Is that a sign that the IETF transparency is not based on who is who but in actual contributions? > > No, but you force people that lie to lie, and that is a first big step in transparency and evaluation of authenticity of requests and claims. > > Patrik > > -- > 117attendees mailing list > 117attendees@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/117attendees
