Thanks Bob, +1 on all of your points. I would also like to add that the quality of presentations could IMHO be improved quite a bit if it was easier possible to add the work done for slides also into final RFC. We for once had tried this with network protocol flow-charts, but gave up on the RFC picture rules being too harsh to allow for this. Cheers Toerless On Tue, Apr 04, 2023 at 05:21:59PM -0700, Bob Hinden wrote: > Brian, > > > On Apr 4, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > In the ideal world there'd be no presentation because everybody read the draft, one slide with open issues and then the discussion. > > I don’t agree that there should be no presentations. > > Slides can be useful to focus the discussion, even if people have read and understand the drafts. For example, a short overview and then a slide for each open issues. > > Slides are also good for non-native english speakers, where reading the material helps their comprehension of what is being discussed. > > Slides can be useful, but not surprisingly can be abused. We all seen slides that attempt to put the whole document into a single slide, but this doesn’t mean they can’t be useful. > > What is needed is for w.g. chairs to review slides and work with the presenters to make useful presentations. > > Bob > > > > > > Brian > > > >> Additional tracks and/or longer days and/or full-length Fridays will likely be needed and the community should weigh those against their downsides for in-person and remote attendees. > >> Lars > >> . > > > -- --- tte@xxxxxxxxx