Ohta-san,
We have been through this before. There is no issue of
"forcing" - this is being proposed because some people think
they would find it useful. Everyone else will presumably
ignore it. If it turns out that there are, in practice, none of
the former, then the document will presumably go the way of many
other ideas that didn't get any traction.
Vendors who are going to do these things will -- based on the
fact that they are being done already -- do them, with or
without this document. And that includes providers who are
doing very little that we would recognize as "internet service"
characterizing themselves as "ISPs". If this document can
accomplish anything, it is, as several people have pointed out,
provide a definitional basis for claiming that a vendor is lying
about what is being provided. Put differently, the theory
behind it is to give operators/providers an opportunity to
disclose what they are doing in a more or less clear way. If
they choose to exaggerate what they are offering, or to lie
about their services, that is a problem that this document
cannot solve and is not intended to try.
regards,
john
--On Wednesday, 07 July, 2004 06:15 +0900 Masataka Ohta
<mohta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> John C Klensin;
>
> You made, at least, two mistakes, minor and major ones.
>
> A minor mistake is that you think you can let people outside
> of IETF use your terminology, if you give loose enough
> terminlogy.
>
> As you introduce "Web connectivity", such people (including
> mobile operators in Japan) claim that they are ISPs, because
> they are offering web connectivity over X.25 without IP. That
> is, "The definitions proposed here are clearly of little value
> if service providers and vendors are not willing to adopt
> them." is applicable to your draft.
>
> A major mistake is that you are forcing people within IETF
> use your terminology even though you are fully aware that
> "some members of the IETF community that some of these
> connectively models are simply "broken" or "not really an
> Internet service"".
>
> Masataka Ohta
>
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