John C Klensin; You made, at least, two mistakes, minor and major ones. A minor mistake is that you think you can let people outside of IETF use your terminology, if you give loose enough terminlogy. As you introduce "Web connectivity", such people (including mobile operators in Japan) claim that they are ISPs, because they are offering web connectivity over X.25 without IP. That is, "The definitions proposed here are clearly of little value if service providers and vendors are not willing to adopt them." is applicable to your draft. A major mistake is that you are forcing people within IETF use your terminology even though you are fully aware that "some members of the IETF community that some of these connectively models are simply "broken" or "not really an Internet service"". Masataka Ohta _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf