On 10/27/22 12:56, Bless, Roland (TM) wrote:
this discussion is actually drifting away from an important
aspect. It is actually not about satire, sarcasm, first or second
language etc. It is about unprofessional behavior: there has been
numerous feedback on Dan's messages that people obviously found them
transgressing. Dan simply should have stopped continuing using satire,
sarcasm, but continued to deliberately write offending messages.
Sowing discord is unprofessional (as in the recent message here
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/last-call/UP7kNpleMnDGxbuQcc2FbEa_yOo/).
"unprofessional" is not well-defined, and can in practice mean almost
anything that someone doesn't like. It can also be used arbitrarily to
marginalize speakers who are out of favor with the leadership.
Also, there may have been a lack of useful feedback in response to Dan's
satirical drafts. For example, accusing his documents of being
"racist", without explanation, wasn't informative and could actually be
read as nothing more than a personal attack on Dan. In my
conversations with IESG members after his drafts were censored, it
appeared to me that most of those on IESG simply did not recognize his
documents as satire. So the opportunity to make timely specific and
constructive feedback (e.g. "please don't use satire; it's too easily
misunderstood") might have been missed.
Also, I also would not label the cited message as "sowing discord". I
thought he was trying to make an instructive (if perhaps annoying) example.
But I see two unhelpful things happening here:
One is Dan not stating explicitly and clearly what problem he's
concerned about, but instead using oblique methods like satire, or
creating an example that should "obviously" illustrate the problem,
especially under conditions when it already seems that there is a large
potential for misunderstanding.
The other is when people react to a message that they don't understand,
by assuming bad intent.
So I would argue that speakers need to try to be clearer and more
literal, especially when the potential for misunderstanding is high; and
that everyone should try to avoid assuming bad intent on the part of
speakers.
Keith
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