Could I just register a pet peeve of mine which is retrospective redefinition of what the consensus means?
Case in point, WG decides that X is out of scope. Then when it reports out, shrieks of anger as people who want to do X don't agree to use their work product.
I would also like to see a rule that any WG chair who starts off with a statement of the form 'we have to do this in 12 months so we have to do it this way' is automatically booted from the WG 12 months later. Every single time I have seen that used it has been playing dirty pool and none of the WGs has delivered anything of note in four years.
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 7:07 PM Rob Sayre <sayrer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
--On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 3:49 PM Adam Roach <adam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:To be clear, they're not unrelated concepts; they're just not the same
thing: unpopular opinions can become disruptive behavior when consensus
is declared, those opinions are properly determined to be "in the
rough," and their proponents insist on re-litigating those issues
anyway.Correct. I just experienced a fairly contentious discussion along those lines.I got most of what I had been arguing for, but also declared myself "in the rough" in the end.That kind of behavior blocks progress. (Did the person who
called consensus get it wrong? That's always possible, and that's why we
have an appeals process. I want to be clear that appeals are not the
same thing as repeatedly attempting to re-litigate closed issues in the
same forum.)This part doesn't matter. If the idea is really bad, it will just fail. Sit back and watch.But in many ways, none of that is really applicable here..... It's about whether we tolerate that kind of unfettered
jackassery on our mailing lists, regardless of the opinions they express.Yep. The objection is not really about _expression_, but about time wasted. It's about entitlement, and the insistence that people listen to you.thanks,Rob
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