On 10/1/22 9:37 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
The systemic tragedy is that we've somehow reached a point where he
AND OTHERS feel that they have some kind of permission (or at least
entitlement) to abuse people trying to get work done in the IETF.
What is this work that I objected to? I have never criticized any WG
formation
to try and get work done. Please get work done! None of these "problematic"
emails are over anyone trying to do any technical work in the IETF.
Every single issue raised by Lars has to do with other people either
calling
someone racist, or saying that there is a systemic problem in the IETF
wrt to
race, or ridiculous statements that the KKK is the biggest issue facing
the IESG.
One was that the charter of a WG should discuss issues about race! All
of this
stuff is far far away from the Internet or Engineering. I'm objecting to
this
introduction of non-technical issues into the IETF.
The problem is that many people think we've reached the point where they
feel it's OK (they feel entitled) to bring this racial nonsense into a
technical
standards body. *That* is the problem.
Dan.
On 9/29/22 06:15, IETF Chair wrote:
Following community feedback after various incidents, as documented
below, the
IESG has initiated a posting rights (PR) action that would restrict
the posting
rights of Dan Harkins, as per the procedures found in BCP 83 (RFC 3683).
Specifically, his posting privileges to these lists would be suspended:
* admin-discuss
* gendispatch
* ietf
* terminology
In the IESG's opinion, this individual has a history of sending
emails that are
inconsistent with the IETF Guidelines for Conduct (RFC 7154) and thereby
"disrupt the consensus-driven process" (RFC 3683). Among these are
contributions
that:
* Express racism in the form of denying, belittling, and ridiculing
anti-racist
sentiment and efforts
* Are rude and abusive, and often amount to insulting ridicule
(Links to examples of such emails sent to the lists above during the
last two
years are provided at the end of this email.)
Multiple attempts have been made to enter into a private discussion
with this
individual, both by IESG and community members, to communicate
disquiet with his
conduct on the lists. These attempts to restore respectful and
courteous conduct
on the lists have been rebuffed with communication that can be
considered both
antagonistic and hostile, and the pattern of behavior observed has
continued.
The IESG also notes that the following actions have already been
taken in
response to the individual's actions:
* Two I-Ds were removed from the public archive due to their
offensive nature:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-les-white-intersectional-dots
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-les-white-tls-preferred-pronouns
(following these links displays the tombstone notice explaining
their removal)
* His posting rights were restricted on the admin-discuss mailing list:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/admin-discuss/ZANH2VPN-U8VMvvOWLb5l03FdCs/
* A final public warning was issued on the gendispatch mailing list:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/68a4amMa1aiaRUPzPGgXdiY9gHg/
None of the attempts to discuss his participation style or warn the
individual
have led to any improvements. The IESG therefore believes that a PR
action is
the correct response to his continued problematic behavior across a
number of
different lists.
The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final
comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
last-call@xxxxxxxx mailing lists by 27 October 2022. Exceptionally,
comments may
be sent to iesg@xxxxxxxx instead. If sending private feedback to the
IESG,
please indicate if you would be open to having your comments
anonymized and
shared in a summary.
Please note: Comments should be limited to the criteria described in
BCP 83,
notably on whether the individual in question has engaged in postings
that are
"unprofessional commentary, regardless of the general subject" in a
manner
disruptive enough to warrant this action.
Lars Eggert
IETF Chair, on behalf of the IESG
–-
Examples of problematic emails during the last two years include:
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/zdq3F0PV40Cyw5ooj0orOWaYyUw/
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/i-d7HlWgrkmrVlC7JZQSXDwIJCQ/
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/YhPI9zZ_3xfidt5V-ORRnET36yY/
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/B33zk8VfOYt4b4Cj-kIHXG3AXdg/
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/d3iDS4WNkCJA3aMFnX2HjP4tsps/
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/-On8AHrdnnCMlJOOyb1M1nlYMpk/
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/terminology/n6UMvDuYLKmmvpP1ajICFvf634M/
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/terminology/QCdjDbokmlARcwVqQ1TV3Rlz7eQ/
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/terminology/X6OF0MBKAzyLhYaAfAxS6srXRNw/
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/terminology/idJhG1MsLmKHyRlaAafcW2JF6Z8/
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipsec/LoGSVatZ4EsYRq4K52rmvRZTndk/
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/pl2lVqhtF4Z-0YuTjhCOmdyi1qE/
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/DFgnF_j8py_eMBGI1IUFdMahTKw/
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/terminology/T3oCpY3BbTNLXWAWsCnFvahRLUQ/
*
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/admin-discuss/xLuz4WTCm5ibIiMVN5ID8OWsCI0/
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