Hi John -
I think it's actually simpler than that. If any of those 7 objected to
their exclusion, then I think we'd probably have to rerun the process.
It's not so much demographics as it is fairness.
Mike
ps - we've had problems with the selection process the last 3(?) times.
It's possible that we need to actually define and document a specific
protocol to deal with all of the edge cases (which have turned out to
not to be so close to the edge as we thought). In particular, the
current model allows for "Hmm... if I refuse to serve then X is next on
the list and they would mostly vote like me" types of calculation on the
part of selectees.
On 8/11/2022 1:19 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
Rich,
I'm almost afraid to ask this question. I thing that what you
are reporting means that, if the people who checked the box
during that window (i) did not catch that they had not been put
on the list at the time of the first posting of the volunteer
list and complain/put their names back in (were there any people
who did catch their omission and report that?) and (ii) are in
any way different, as a group, demographically or in other ways,
from the Nomcom candidates who did end up in the pool, then
those selected for the Nomcom do not represent a random sample
of those who volunteered to serve. Is that correct?
Too late now, but too bad this was not noticed before you reran
the selection process.
best,
john
--On Thursday, August 11, 2022 10:07 -0700 NomCom Chair 2022
<nomcom-chair-2022@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
When you register for the IETF, you can check a box that says
"I want to volunteer for NomCom" The secretariat provides a
list to the tools team, who uploads the list and checks their
eligibility to be a volunteer. This year, the list was
uploaded on July 8. The final list was posted on July 25. This
meant that people who registered after July 8 and checked the
box could have been omitted from the volunteer list. I believe
that this was not a problem before because previous NomCom
schedules happened earlier, but did not verify.
With the great help of Robert Sparks of the tools team, and
Ryan Cross of the secretariat, I can report statistics about
this year.
There were 51 people who registered between those dates.
Twenty-two of them were already on the volunteer list, and one
I know was ineligible. That leaves 28 potential volunteers who
did not got their eligibility checked and possibly added. A
manual run of those people through the filters shows that
about seven potential volunteers would have qualified. We say
"about" because the scan didn't check for other
disqualifications, like Board memberships. As a reminder, the
final volunteer list had 265 people (some of which were
ineligible; had they been picked, we would have gone to the
next candidate).
A fix is in the works so that next year there will be no gap
between registration before the deadline and being added to
the volunteer list if you qualify.
Thanks to Martin Vigoureux for bringing this to my attention.
-Rich Salz, 2022 NomCom Chair
