Re: Bad/Good ideas and damage control by experienced participants

Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> · Tue, 21 Jun 2022 12:59:42 -0400

    Keith Moore wrote:

      On 6/21/22 10:43, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:

        Though
          an alternative path might be to develop an academic discipline
          of 

          Internet protocol engineering, and expect Internet protocol
          engineers to 

          have degrees in that discipline.   But I don't have a
          tremendous amount 

          of faith in academia to preserve wisdom.   Better than
          nothing, I suppose.

          Academia is
            broken as a research venue. Its publish or perish and you
            can only publish if you are following fashion. So appling
            1990s technology to securing data at rest isn't going to win
            anyone tenure.

          The problem
            I see in the IETF is that the Internet is being turned into
            a series of walled gardens and the IETF can't do anything to
            stop that because most of the participants work for one of
            the companies busy building the walls.

          The issue
            isn't unique to IETF either. There are dozens of IoT
            alliances, most of which have multiple big players involved.
            But they are all built around enabling the MBA school dream
            of imposing a razor and blades model on consumers. As if it
            makes any sense for consumers to pay $10/month to subscribe
            to a service so they can turn their lights on and off.

      Agree entirely.  Could not have said it better myself.
      Keith

    Which kind of raises the question of "who speaks & stands for
    the core philosophies behind the Internet?"  Perhaps a role for ISOC
    and the IAB - while there are still those of us around who remember
    the earliest days of the net.

    Perhaps starting with updating "Tao of the IETF," perhaps - making
    it a little more official.

    Miles

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