On 7 Jun 2022, at 13:53, Mary B <mary.h.barnes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Pennsylvania also has reciprocal concealed carry with other states: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/pa-gun-laws/. So, someone with a CCL in Texas can legally carry a concealed weapon in Pennsylvania (you can pack an unloaded gun in your checked luggage - it happens way more than you might think). Texas also has open carry laws and having lived here over 30 years, I don't recall ever seeing a civilian open carry just walking around. Of course, as Dan notes, you get away from the city and you're far more likely to (although, I've never seen that in podunk Texas cities either).If IETF wants to reduce the probability of having meetings in places that allow open and concealed carry they should stick with states that have stricter laws. Of course, that does little to reduce the possibility. Reality is there are a whole lot more gun owners here than in other countries and they're a whole lot easier to get access to here.I don't think IETF should be making meeting decisions based on risks of death from various causes in various countries, although I guess they've started doing that with COVID. And, maybe they can also start avoiding moldy meeting venues.RFC 8718 Section 3.2.1. already requires this "Economic, safety, and health risks associated with this Venue are acceptable."
JayMary.On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 4:51 PM Dan Harkins <dharkins@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Open carry is permissible in Pennsylvania regardless of what Jay wants. An
exception to that, again it has nothing to do with what Jay wants, is that the
city of Philadelphia requires a permit to open carry just as the entire state
requires a permit to conceal carry. That said, Pennsylvania is a "shall issue"
state and a permit MUST be issued to a legal resident unless the claimant is
disqualified based on a set of issues. So theoretically there might be people
armed walking around Philadelphia. My experience (I was actually there this
morning) is that I have never seen an open carrier there though. But there
might've been concealed carriers, ya never know (that's kind of the whole
point).
So if you are worried about guns going off randomly and shooting you and
feel that the prevalence of guns increases the probability of you getting
randomly shot then maybe don't leave the city of Philadelphia and wander into
the wilds of Chester, Bucks, or Delco (where, also, I have never seen someone
open carry even though they are, technically permitted). Then I think you'll
be fine.
Also, the shooting happened in front of a Rita's Water Ice store. But I hope
no one lets that prevent them from trying some of that Philadelphia classic
(lemon and cherry are my favorites but they have a huge menu that you really
should try).
I'll leave you with this gem regarding gun-free zones:
regards,
Dan.
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On 6/6/22 8:51 AM, Livingood, Jason wrote:
It is a sad event indeed. Jay – IETF Exec Director – is working on this subject and will respond in a few days when he is back from some PTO.
Jason
From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Antoine FRESSANCOURT <antoine.fressancourt=40huawei.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:08
To: ietf <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Gun control at IETF 114
Hello,
I have heard today the very sad news about the mass shooting that happened in Philadelphia.
https://www.inquirer.com/crime/live/shooting-south-street-4th-street-mutiple-shot-20220605.html
Given the evolution of the political climate in the US around gun control, I am wondering what are the policies that the IETF plans to put in place to make sure the hotel we gather in is a safe place (I.e a gun-free area).
Best regards,
Antoine FRESSANCOURT
-- "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
