Good start. It should mention the Trust as well as the LLC Board. In that context, as well as the IAB/IESG, it might be wise to mention institutional memory as potential argument *against* turnover in some cases. I also note that this advice is diversity-friendly. Diversity as such has never been stated as a NomCom goal, as far as I know, and can easily become a third-rail topic, but this draft goes in the right direction. I'd be inclined to make it Updates: 8713. (That's "updates" in the "extends" sense, and want to be sure this becomes part of BCP 10.) Regards Brian Carpenter On 22-Oct-21 09:14, Barry Leiba wrote: > I don't think anyone said "must not"... just that we need to allow the > possibility of no gap. > > So here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leiba-term-limit-guidance/ > > I have made an alternative proposal, and I'd appreciate comments on > that. I think we can discuss both proposals together. > > Barry > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 2:34 PM Salz, Rich > <rsalz=40akamai.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> With Mike's corrections and cutting off the limit at pre-1996 because the structure changed, we get: >> >> Lars was Transport AD until 2011; 10 years. >> Aliisa was ART AD until 2017, no gap. >> Jari was Internet AD until 2012; one year. >> Russ was Security AD until 2007; no gap >> Brian Carpenter wasn't an AD unless it was before 1989 so at least a 15 year gap. >> Harald was Ops AD until 1999 so two year gap. >> Fred Baker wasn't an AD before 1989 so at least a six year gap. >> >> Or, 10 0 1 0 infinite 2 inifinite ? >> >> I don't see how you can make a compelling argument that AD->IETF Chair must not have a gap year. >> >> >