This goes into the same mix as "SDO's rethinking business model". Surely IEEE would benefit from working citations from IETF to IEEE documents, in a form that IEEE commits to stability. https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/2875 References to resources that can't be read by IETF reviewers should not be accepted -- perhaps there were some cases in the past but things have changed. References to resources that are available now but you're worried they will be moved or exhobitantly paywalled or lost -- keep "if needed" copies. Just to take "stability of reference" off the table. I read of legal documents and judements being subject to this for similar archival goals. -- https://LarryMasinter.net https://interlisp.org