Lloyd,
I have an unfortunate choice between sending mail to the IETF:
- Using my Juniper account, and having IT append a Juniper classification to it
- Using my personal account, and not revealing my corporate affiliation in every message.
Neither choice is very appealing ☹
Ron
Juniper Business Use Only
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From: Lloyd W <lloyd.wood=40yahoo.co.uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 3:23 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Christian Huitema <huitema@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@xxxxxxxxx>; ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Want to be on the IESG?
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Ron,
That "Juniper Business Use Only" signature completely undermines the spirit of your message, don't you think?
I view the IETF as a personal interest, often best participated in from a personal address. But then, my time or any role I play here is not subsidised or sponsored, or even expected to produce useful outcomes.
Lloyd Wood
lloyd.wood@xxxxxxxxxxx
which... it doesn't.
> On 8 Oct 2021, at 06:01, Ron Bonica <rbonica=40juniper.net@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Christian,
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> Keith has captured thee nuance of my comment. I really don't care where candidates come from, so long as they come to promote the common good of the Internet community and not their corporate interests.
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> Ron
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> Juniper Business Use Only
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 2:53 PM
> To: Christian Huitema <huitema@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Ron Bonica
> <rbonica@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Want to be on the IESG?
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>> On 10/7/21 1:56 PM, Christian Huitema wrote:
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>> Ron, I am not sure that I agree with you or Stewart here. We are
>> discussing the lack of candidates for leadership positions. If I look
>> at the roster of the IAB and IESG, I find plenty of members working
>> for those large companies that develop Internet technologies, and
>> that tells me that we are not exactly suffering from lack of
>> participation from big companies. In fact, if we loaded committees
>> with even more participation of these big companies, the complaint
>> would not be that they "do not invest" -- most probably, we would
>> hear the opposite complaint, that they invest too much.
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> The question is, are those Big Companies "investing" or are they "exploiting"? Or some of each?
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> Even though I think that's the question, I suspect we can't really answer that question definitively here, or maybe anywhere.
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> But I'd love to see more I* candidates who are NOT from Big Companies.
> IETF needs more diversity in its leadership.
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> Keith
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