On 25-Sep-21 19:26, Bron Gondwana wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 25, 2021, at 12:56, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> 3. I do object strongly to classifying "Last call announcements for I-Ds" >> as non-important. They are such a fundamental part of the IETF process that they really must go to everybody, and specifically to everybody who is >> *not* in the WG concerned. In fact, this would amount to an end-run around RFC2026, for standards track and BCP drafts. > > I would pretty strongly push back again this. There are whole areas of the IETF in which I have no interest, or even if I have interest, I have no special expertise that would make my contribution on them valuable. Bron, that isn't the point. Of course no individual can be expected to comment on the subject matter of every last-called draft. But the whole point (and here I am much less pessimistic than Ned Freed) is to awaken the interest of someone who simply hasn't been aware of a draft but who does happen to have sufficient knowledge to find unexpected issues. If our area review teams plus GenArt were 100% perfect, this wouldn't be necessary, but they aren't. There are maybe 300 IETF Last Calls per year. I calculate that the ones I ignore cost me about 600 seconds per year to glance at the message and hit the delete key. I can identify four drafts where I've sent comments in response to an IETF Last Call in the past year (not counting WGs that I track and my own GenArt reviews). I have no idea whether that is typical. > > I'm significantly more interested in seeing everything in my area (ART) because I'm more likely to have something of value to add - but even there, it's a wide enough cross section that there are parts I don't particularly need to know about and spend mental energy on. > > And I'm pretty invested and interested in the IETF compared to plenty of people who want to come in and work on one particular thing. If we want the IETF to be welcoming and non-overwhelming to new people, making "you have to have an opinion on every piece of work in the firehose" be the default is pretty unfriendly. It just doesn't scale. But that's not what we ask. What we actually ask for is 10 or 15 minutes *per year* to see if somebody is doing something outrageous that you need to check on. Regards Brian > > Bron. > > > -- > Bron Gondwana, CEO, Fastmail Pty Ltd > brong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >
