Hi, I have to say that it never ceases to amaze me that anyone with a profession or hobby that includes a few IETF WGs would find 4.6 messages/day a burden. It isn't even noise. However, so be it, so please try this out. My comments: 1. Make it explicitly a one-year experiment. If it fails (fewer than 3095 subscribers, for example), drop it. 2. Make it opt-out for meeting registrants. Ideally, it would also be opt-out for anyone who subscribes to any IETF list whatever, but I don't know if that's practicable. 3. I do object strongly to classifying "Last call announcements for I-Ds" as non-important. They are such a fundamental part of the IETF process that they really must go to everybody, and specifically to everybody who is *not* in the WG concerned. In fact, this would amount to an end-run around RFC2026, for standards track and BCP drafts. Regards Brian Carpenter On 24-Sep-21 19:25, IETF Chair wrote: > Hi, > > at the moment, ietf-announce is the main announcement list of the IETF, > seeing regular posts from various roles and bodies in the organization, > and from the Datatracker. Over the last year, ietf-announce has seen > around 1200 emails, averaging around 4.6 emails per workday. > > The ietf-announce lists currently distributes the following types of > announcements. All but the first type are automatically generated by > various tools: > > 1. Announcements sent manually by the IETF Chair, the IAB Chair, the > IRTF Chair, the Chair of the LLC Board, the IETF Executive Director, > the NomCom Chair, and the IETF Secretariat > 2. Announcements of new and updated WG charters > 3. WG closure announcements > 4. Announcements of new non-WG mailing lists > 5. Announcements of new RFCs > 6. IESG and LLC telechat announcements > 7. Announcements of document actions > 8. Announcements of IESG conflict-review results > 9. Last call announcements for I-Ds > 10. Interim WG meeting announcements > > The ietf-announce list currently has 3095 subscribers, which is a > fraction of the overall IETF community. Only 961 of these subscribers > have Datatracker accounts; out of 13311 overall Datatracker account > holders. When asking IETF participants about why they are not > subscribed, the volume of email on the list > - especially automatically-generated Datatracker email - is the most often > mentioned reason. > > The IESG is therefore considering creating a new mailing list for > important organizational announcements only. We are hoping that a > subscription to a new low-volume mailing list will be acceptable to > IETF participants that find ietf-announce too noisy, and will help us > disseminate important news and announcements more widely and effectively. > > Here are the details about this proposal: > > * The name of the new mailing list is important-news. > > - The ietf-announce mailing list will continue to operate as-is. > > - Posting rights to important-news are restricted to the same set of > roles as for ietf-announce. > > - All emails sent to important-news will be CC’ed to ietf-announce. > > * Posts > > - important-news will only receive the first type of announcements in > the numbered list above, i.e., important announcements that are > manually sent by various organizational roles. > > - important-news will not receive any of the other types of email sent > to ietf-announce. In the rare case that one of these is of > sufficiently broad community interest to be distributed via > important-news, this will occur as a manual action by one of the > roles authorized to post to important-news. > > * Subscriptions > > - Every participant with a current Datatracker account will be > automatically subscribed to important-news. > > - Every participant creating a new Datatracker account will > automatically be subscribed to important-news. > > - important-news is also open to manual subscriptions to anyone > without a Datatracker account. A welcome message will be sent to > new important-news subscribers, explaining what it’s for and that > we’d hope they stay subscribed. It will also include instructions > or ideally a link for unsubscribing. > > - Any important-news subscriber can unsubscribe at any time. > > The IESG is inviting community feedback to iesg@xxxxxxxx about this > proposal by 7 October 2021. > > Lars Eggert > IETF Chair (on behalf of the IESG) > > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce >
