IMHO the expired draft animal has been sufficiently flogged. -----Original Message----- From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Khaled Omar Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 4:59 PM To: Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Scott Bradner <sob@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: RE: What's going on with the IETF. [External] Some areas people need IPv6 and ISPs don't have IPv6 deployed. Other cases, ISPs are IPv6 ready but enterprises don't need to deploy IPv6. Khaled Omar -----Original Message----- From: Randall Gellens [mailto:rg+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 6:49 PM To: Scott Bradner <sob@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx>; ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: What's going on with the IETF. On 9 Sep 2021, at 9:47, Scott Bradner wrote: > why bother - > > when they actually need to do something they will or they will perish That's my point. When they need IPv6, they'll deploy it. --Randall