Thanks, Mirja! On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 05:57:22PM +0200, Mirja Kühlewind (IETF) wrote: > Hi Toerless, hi Stewart, > > We will publish the recordings after the workshop as we also did with the last workshop. > > Mirja > > > Am 27.08.2021 um 17:40 schrieb Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > Unless the meeting is held under Chatham House rules, it should be as open as the resources allow. > > > > Since we are meeting virtually for the foreseeable future a YouTube feed would be relatively simple and allow anyone interested to list first hand to the proceedings. > > > > - Stewart > > > > > >> On 27 Aug 2021, at 15:43, Toerless Eckert <tte@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> Dear IAB, *: > >> > >> I wonder why IAB workshops continue to be closed/invitation only alone, > >> and would encourage IEF/IAB to rethink this policy in the face of our evolving > >> technology opportunities and policy challenges. > >> > >> I think i understand all the reasons why this makes sense for > >> active participation and even in-person passive participation (org, cost, focus), > >> but: > >> > >> I would very much like to see a policy where all IETF activities are > >> as public as possible. In the case of workshops where there is no strong > >> content benefit of chatham house rules or similar concerns, and where > >> there is appropriate online tooling anyhow, i think there can and should > >> always be a live-stream to live listen into (but not participate actively) > >> such an event. > >> > >> If for example webex is used, this is easily possible though webex/youtube > >> integration, so that passive observers can use youtube to listen live. > >> > >> To bring up the dreaded topic again as another example: I do not know > >> if a closed IAB workshop would be legal place for a US person to provide > >> technology ideas when there are contributors in such an invittion only > >> workshop from entities on the US governments EAR entities list. I for once > >> can not read into EAR 734.7 that such an event is covered by it. > >> I certainly would love to see a statement of the IETF lawyer about this. > >> > >> Cheers > >> Toerless > >> > >> P.S.: This aparticularily is one workshop where i wouldn't have anything > >> active to contribute, but where i am quite certain that i would learn > >> a lot more following the discussion in the room listening in remotely than > >> just reading a workshop report later. So admittedly, this announcement > >> triggered my mail from self-interest, but i have been disappointed by > >> this IAB policy for a long time already. > >> > >>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 10:15:47AM -0700, IAB Executive Administrative Manager wrote: > >>> Show me the numbers: Workshop on Analyzing IETF Data (AID), 2021 > >>> > >>> Web Page: https://www.iab.org/activities/workshops/aid/ > >>> > >>> The IETF as an international Standards Developing Organization hosts > >>> diverse data on the history, development, and current activities in the > >>> development and standardization of Internet protocols and its > >>> institutions. A large portion of this data is publicly available, yet > >>> this data is arguably underutilized as a tool to inform the work in the > >>> IETF and research on topics like Internet governance and trends in ICT > >>> standard-setting. > >>> > >>> This workshop aims to enable engineers and researchers alike to mine the > >>> IETF's data sources in order to explore trends through the analysis of > >>> IETF data, such as email archives > >>> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/>, I-Ds > >>> <https://www.ietf.org/standards/ids/>, RFCs > >>> <https://www.ietf.org/standards/rfcs/>, and the datatracker > >>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/>. This work can be used to derive > >>> insights into the inner workings of the process of standardization, > >>> participation, and governance[1]. This workshop aims to bring together > >>> people who have already analyzed IETF data, those who are interested in > >>> the analysis of IETF data, and those who are interested in the results > >>> of such analysis as input for improvement of the IETF's work. > >>> > >>> We invite the research community, IETF participants, and others with an > >>> interest in the data collected by the IETF, its protocols, and > >>> participants, to submit a contribution to the workshop. Furthermore, we > >>> also welcome participants who are interested in the analysis that could > >>> be performed based on this data as well as those contributing > >>> considerations regarding future collection and handling of IETF data. > >>> > >>> Possible avenues for explorations include, but are not limited to: > >>> > >>> A. What are patterns for participation in the IETF (what are > >>> predictors for a long and productive tenure, when do people stop > >>> participating, what is needed to successfully produce RFCs)? > >>> B. How is the IETF community developing (i.e., affiliations, > >>> publications, language, nationality, leadership positions)? > >>> C. How do affiliations develop in the IETF (i.e., does a change in > >>> affiliation translate into a change in behavior, is there a > >>> relation between affiliation and leadership positions and/or > >>> centrality, what is the affiliation distribution per area and/or > >>> WG)? > >>> D. What social dynamics (gender, nationality, income, occupation, and > >>> other social dynamics) are not captured by IETF data and what data > >>> and research approaches are needed to develop further insights in > >>> the social dynamics of standardization? > >>> E. How productive and effective is the IETF, with respect to > >>> documents, pages, words, letters and in comparison the overall > >>> activities e.g. on mailing lists? > >>> F. How well is the outcome of the IETF used, e.g,. based on references > >>> to RFCs in research papers, product manuals, or other sources? > >>> G. What data would be relevant to collect that is not collected yet or > >>> what should be considered with respect to handling of personal data > >>> during the data collection and research. > >>> H. How effective is the IETF's consensus-based decision making > >>> process? Is there evidence that documents receive broad and > >>> effective reviews? Are experts with relevant expertise engaging > >>> with developing standards in a timely manner? > >>> > >>> Participation and Submission > >>> > >>> People interested in participation are requested to submit short > >>> position papers (500-1000 words). The paper can cover one or multiple of > >>> the following points, but this list should not be considered exhaustive: > >>> > >>> 1. Research questions and interests in IETF data; indication which > >>> question should be answered, the data needed to do so, and how > >>> these insights could be used to improve processes and operations; > >>> 2. Description of the IETF data they aim to analyze or the information > >>> they would like to see made available to inform their work (such as > >>> mailing list archives, or participation data obtained through the > >>> datatracker) and their methods for doing so (see footnote 1); > >>> 3. Potential and preliminary findings; and how those insights could > >>> either benefit leadership, WG chairs, and authors/participants, > >>> and/or society and industry at large; > >>> 4. Potential or preliminary findings and how those add novel insights > >>> to ongoing academic debates. > >>> > >>> Proposals for data analysis should also contain a brief consideration of > >>> any related ethics and privacy issues. The basic principles of ethical > >>> research are outlined in the Belmont Report2 (covering e.g., respect for > >>> persons, beneficence, and justice) and/or institutional ethics > >>> guidelines. > >>> > >>> The workshop will be invitation-only. The organizers will decide whom to > >>> invite based on the submissions received. Therefore, please indicate > >>> your interest by submitting a research proposal by September 29, 2021 to > >>> aid-workshop-pc@xxxxxxx. > >>> > >>> The Program Committee members are Niels ten Oever (chair, University of > >>> Amsterdam), Colin Perkins (chair, IRTF, University of Glasgow), Corinne > >>> Cath (chair, Oxford Internet Institute), Mirja Kühlewind (IAB, > >>> Ericsson), Zhenbin Li (IAB, Huawei), Wes Hardaker (IAB, USC/ISI). > >>> > >>> All inputs submitted and considered relevant will be published on the > >>> workshop web page. Sessions will be organized according to content, and > >>> not every accepted submission or invited attendee will have an > >>> opportunity to present as the intent is to foster discussion and not > >>> simply to have a sequence of presentations. > >>> > >>> Position papers from those unable to attend in person are encouraged. A > >>> workshop report will be published afterwards. > >>> > >>> Logistics > >>> > >>> • Submissions Due: 29 September 2021 > >>> • Invitations Issued by: 15 October 2021 > >>> • Workshop Date: November 29 – December 3 2021 > >>> • Location: Online and at the University of Amsterdam (COVID-19 > >>> permitting). > >>> > >>> The workshop will consist of three parts: > >>> > >>> 1. opening workshop (Monday) > >>> 2. hackathon (Tuesday – Thursday morning) > >>> 3. closing event (Thursday afternoon) > >>> > >>> Feel free to contact the program committee with any further questions > >>> (including questions related to available data or expected outcomes): > >>> aid-workshop-pc@xxxxxxx. > >>> > >>> ----- > >>> [1] Examples of such approaches are: > >>> https://www.arkko.com/tools/docstats.html, > >>> http://datactive.github.io/bigbang/, > >>> https://csperkins.org/research/protocol-standards/2020-12-10-ignacio-iesg-talk/2020-12-10_IESG-50-years-IETF-send.pdf, > >>> https://sodestream.github.io/impact-of-early-engagement-on-longevity-of-ietf-participation.html > >>> > >>> [2] https://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/sites/default/files/the-belmont-report-508c_FINAL.pdf > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> IETF-Announce mailing list > >>> IETF-Announce@xxxxxxxx > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Architecture-discuss mailing list > >> Architecture-discuss@xxxxxxxx > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Architecture-discuss mailing list > > Architecture-discuss@xxxxxxxx > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss -- --- tte@xxxxxxxxx
