Hi Toerless, hi Stewart, We will publish the recordings after the workshop as we also did with the last workshop. Mirja > Am 27.08.2021 um 17:40 schrieb Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@xxxxxxxxx>: > > Unless the meeting is held under Chatham House rules, it should be as open as the resources allow. > > Since we are meeting virtually for the foreseeable future a YouTube feed would be relatively simple and allow anyone interested to list first hand to the proceedings. > > - Stewart > > >> On 27 Aug 2021, at 15:43, Toerless Eckert <tte@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Dear IAB, *: >> >> I wonder why IAB workshops continue to be closed/invitation only alone, >> and would encourage IEF/IAB to rethink this policy in the face of our evolving >> technology opportunities and policy challenges. >> >> I think i understand all the reasons why this makes sense for >> active participation and even in-person passive participation (org, cost, focus), >> but: >> >> I would very much like to see a policy where all IETF activities are >> as public as possible. In the case of workshops where there is no strong >> content benefit of chatham house rules or similar concerns, and where >> there is appropriate online tooling anyhow, i think there can and should >> always be a live-stream to live listen into (but not participate actively) >> such an event. >> >> If for example webex is used, this is easily possible though webex/youtube >> integration, so that passive observers can use youtube to listen live. >> >> To bring up the dreaded topic again as another example: I do not know >> if a closed IAB workshop would be legal place for a US person to provide >> technology ideas when there are contributors in such an invittion only >> workshop from entities on the US governments EAR entities list. I for once >> can not read into EAR 734.7 that such an event is covered by it. >> I certainly would love to see a statement of the IETF lawyer about this. >> >> Cheers >> Toerless >> >> P.S.: This aparticularily is one workshop where i wouldn't have anything >> active to contribute, but where i am quite certain that i would learn >> a lot more following the discussion in the room listening in remotely than >> just reading a workshop report later. So admittedly, this announcement >> triggered my mail from self-interest, but i have been disappointed by >> this IAB policy for a long time already. >> >>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 10:15:47AM -0700, IAB Executive Administrative Manager wrote: >>> Show me the numbers: Workshop on Analyzing IETF Data (AID), 2021 >>> >>> Web Page: https://www.iab.org/activities/workshops/aid/ >>> >>> The IETF as an international Standards Developing Organization hosts >>> diverse data on the history, development, and current activities in the >>> development and standardization of Internet protocols and its >>> institutions. A large portion of this data is publicly available, yet >>> this data is arguably underutilized as a tool to inform the work in the >>> IETF and research on topics like Internet governance and trends in ICT >>> standard-setting. >>> >>> This workshop aims to enable engineers and researchers alike to mine the >>> IETF's data sources in order to explore trends through the analysis of >>> IETF data, such as email archives >>> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/>, I-Ds >>> <https://www.ietf.org/standards/ids/>, RFCs >>> <https://www.ietf.org/standards/rfcs/>, and the datatracker >>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/>. This work can be used to derive >>> insights into the inner workings of the process of standardization, >>> participation, and governance[1]. This workshop aims to bring together >>> people who have already analyzed IETF data, those who are interested in >>> the analysis of IETF data, and those who are interested in the results >>> of such analysis as input for improvement of the IETF's work. >>> >>> We invite the research community, IETF participants, and others with an >>> interest in the data collected by the IETF, its protocols, and >>> participants, to submit a contribution to the workshop. Furthermore, we >>> also welcome participants who are interested in the analysis that could >>> be performed based on this data as well as those contributing >>> considerations regarding future collection and handling of IETF data. >>> >>> Possible avenues for explorations include, but are not limited to: >>> >>> A. What are patterns for participation in the IETF (what are >>> predictors for a long and productive tenure, when do people stop >>> participating, what is needed to successfully produce RFCs)? >>> B. How is the IETF community developing (i.e., affiliations, >>> publications, language, nationality, leadership positions)? >>> C. How do affiliations develop in the IETF (i.e., does a change in >>> affiliation translate into a change in behavior, is there a >>> relation between affiliation and leadership positions and/or >>> centrality, what is the affiliation distribution per area and/or >>> WG)? >>> D. What social dynamics (gender, nationality, income, occupation, and >>> other social dynamics) are not captured by IETF data and what data >>> and research approaches are needed to develop further insights in >>> the social dynamics of standardization? >>> E. How productive and effective is the IETF, with respect to >>> documents, pages, words, letters and in comparison the overall >>> activities e.g. on mailing lists? >>> F. How well is the outcome of the IETF used, e.g,. based on references >>> to RFCs in research papers, product manuals, or other sources? >>> G. What data would be relevant to collect that is not collected yet or >>> what should be considered with respect to handling of personal data >>> during the data collection and research. >>> H. How effective is the IETF's consensus-based decision making >>> process? Is there evidence that documents receive broad and >>> effective reviews? Are experts with relevant expertise engaging >>> with developing standards in a timely manner? >>> >>> Participation and Submission >>> >>> People interested in participation are requested to submit short >>> position papers (500-1000 words). The paper can cover one or multiple of >>> the following points, but this list should not be considered exhaustive: >>> >>> 1. Research questions and interests in IETF data; indication which >>> question should be answered, the data needed to do so, and how >>> these insights could be used to improve processes and operations; >>> 2. Description of the IETF data they aim to analyze or the information >>> they would like to see made available to inform their work (such as >>> mailing list archives, or participation data obtained through the >>> datatracker) and their methods for doing so (see footnote 1); >>> 3. Potential and preliminary findings; and how those insights could >>> either benefit leadership, WG chairs, and authors/participants, >>> and/or society and industry at large; >>> 4. Potential or preliminary findings and how those add novel insights >>> to ongoing academic debates. >>> >>> Proposals for data analysis should also contain a brief consideration of >>> any related ethics and privacy issues. The basic principles of ethical >>> research are outlined in the Belmont Report2 (covering e.g., respect for >>> persons, beneficence, and justice) and/or institutional ethics >>> guidelines. >>> >>> The workshop will be invitation-only. The organizers will decide whom to >>> invite based on the submissions received. Therefore, please indicate >>> your interest by submitting a research proposal by September 29, 2021 to >>> aid-workshop-pc@xxxxxxx. >>> >>> The Program Committee members are Niels ten Oever (chair, University of >>> Amsterdam), Colin Perkins (chair, IRTF, University of Glasgow), Corinne >>> Cath (chair, Oxford Internet Institute), Mirja Kühlewind (IAB, >>> Ericsson), Zhenbin Li (IAB, Huawei), Wes Hardaker (IAB, USC/ISI). >>> >>> All inputs submitted and considered relevant will be published on the >>> workshop web page. Sessions will be organized according to content, and >>> not every accepted submission or invited attendee will have an >>> opportunity to present as the intent is to foster discussion and not >>> simply to have a sequence of presentations. >>> >>> Position papers from those unable to attend in person are encouraged. A >>> workshop report will be published afterwards. >>> >>> Logistics >>> >>> • Submissions Due: 29 September 2021 >>> • Invitations Issued by: 15 October 2021 >>> • Workshop Date: November 29 – December 3 2021 >>> • Location: Online and at the University of Amsterdam (COVID-19 >>> permitting). >>> >>> The workshop will consist of three parts: >>> >>> 1. opening workshop (Monday) >>> 2. hackathon (Tuesday – Thursday morning) >>> 3. closing event (Thursday afternoon) >>> >>> Feel free to contact the program committee with any further questions >>> (including questions related to available data or expected outcomes): >>> aid-workshop-pc@xxxxxxx. >>> >>> ----- >>> [1] Examples of such approaches are: >>> https://www.arkko.com/tools/docstats.html, >>> http://datactive.github.io/bigbang/, >>> https://csperkins.org/research/protocol-standards/2020-12-10-ignacio-iesg-talk/2020-12-10_IESG-50-years-IETF-send.pdf, >>> https://sodestream.github.io/impact-of-early-engagement-on-longevity-of-ietf-participation.html >>> >>> [2] https://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/sites/default/files/the-belmont-report-508c_FINAL.pdf >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IETF-Announce mailing list >>> IETF-Announce@xxxxxxxx >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Architecture-discuss mailing list >> Architecture-discuss@xxxxxxxx >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Architecture-discuss mailing list > Architecture-discuss@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss
