Vernon, VS> On the other hand, it would be distructive to let the IETF seriously VS> consider supporting claims of the unfettered right to send mail VS> regardless of the desires of mail targets and their duly appointed VS> agents including ISPs or of entitlements to real Internet access VS> at less than $50/month. I'll probably regret pursuing this, but... I have not seen any inclination of the IETF community to support such claims, but from your statement, I fear it may have happened and I missed it. What are you referring to? d/ -- Dave Crocker <dcrocker-at-brandenburg-dot-com> Brandenburg InternetWorking <www.brandenburg.com> Sunnyvale, CA USA <tel:+1.408.246.8253>