Nathaniel, NB> some of us want to discuss it in terms of property rights, and others NB> of us want to discuss it in terms of human rights. Unfortunately, the IETF mailing list is not a very good venue for either topic, because most of the folks on the IETF mailing list have no qualifications or special insight into these difficult issues. Opinions, sure But none of the essential insight required for making any meaningful progress in such a discussion. d/ -- Dave Crocker <dcrocker-at-brandenburg-dot-com> Brandenburg InternetWorking <www.brandenburg.com> Sunnyvale, CA USA <tel:+1.408.246.8253>