> From: Yakov Shafranovich <research@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Since the IETF is a standards organization, can both you and vsj tell us > in your opinion, if there is anything the IETF should or should not be > doing in the spam arena (changing existing standards, making new > standards, etc.)? draft-crocker-spam-techconsider-02.txt listed some opportunities for IETF documents. I vaguely recall they included: - codifying common sense for blacklist operators I thought ASRG time working on such a BCP, but it seems to have gone underground. - improved forms and formats for DSNs. - improved mechanisms, forms, and formats for logging mail rejections. - mechanisms for sharing white- and blacklists among MX servers for a domain. On the other hand, it would be distructive to let the IETF seriously consider supporting claims of the unfettered right to send mail regardless of the desires of mail targets and their duly appointed agents including ISPs or of entitlements to real Internet access at less than $50/month. That would further the ambitions of many to convert the Internet into what PTTs and governments said we might be allowed 20 years ago. That the spam problem involves TCP/IP does not necessarily imply that the IETF has a major role in dealing with the problem, any more than the fact that guns contain metal implies that the American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) has a major role in the search for world peace. Regardless of the ambitions of individuals to "make a difference" or become famous, the IETF should strive first and foremost to do no harm outside its charter in primarily non-technical arenas such as the fight against spam. Vernon Schryver vjs@xxxxxxxxxxxx