On 3/2/2021 4:16 PM, Martin J. Dürst wrote:
Well, yes, but cultural sensitivity and the awareness for it in the case
of images (in particular hand gestures) is quite a bit different from text.
First, it's very easy for humans to intuitively think that while people
using different languages obviously would need different text, everybody
should understand something like a "thumbs up".
Second, the chances for completely opposite or offensive meanings are
significantly bigger in particular for hand gestures.
Third, this draft explicitly proposes hand gestures that have offensive
meanings in some regions of the world, as opposed to just allowing such
gestures as part of a general repertoire.
Two responses:
1. The choices in that set already have global use
2. If someone doesn't like the set, then they shouldn't use it. It is
intentional that the set does not have normative status.
3. If you think there is a better set to use, please specify it and
circulate it. There's nothing wrong with having additional sets defined
and, in fact, I'd argue that the specification already encourages it.
Fourth, it has been reported quite recently that some applications
actually change the display of some of their reactions, for exactly the
reason brought up here. As far as I understand, the draft doesn't
propose any such thing (which may be okay as such). This situation is
akin to a security issue with a known remedy where a draft would just
talk about it in vague terms.
Comparing a cultural affront to a security threat probably has some
appeal but in practical terms I fear it is not helpful.
In terms of nits, I'm really unclear why section 4.1 (Example
Message) is where it is.
After the specification content and before the pro forma sections on
Security and IANA. Seemed a natural placement.
I was not asking about Section 4, for the placement of which you give
good arguments above. I was specifically asking about Subsection 4.1.
This is an example message showing *syntax*, unfathomably (at least to
me) sandwiched between two (*) text pieces about *semantics* and usage.
(*) 1) the part of Section 4 that probably should be its own subsection
before 4.1, and 2) Subsection 4.2.
Talking about display of a message is aided by have a concrete example
to consider.
d/
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Dave Crocker
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