Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

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On 2/24/2021 1:39 AM, Vittorio Bertola wrote:

Il 24/02/2021 08:22 Hannes Tschofenig <hannes.tschofenig@xxxxxxx> ha scritto:

The culture of hands-on work needs to be more than a responsibility of the document authors. It is a culture that has to cut across the organization, from working group chairs to the IESG. Currently, there are disincentives to work on code as a document author.

I want people with hands-on experience in the leadership of an engineering organization. For me this is a form of diversity.

The question is whether you *only* (mostly) want coders in the leadership, or whether you *also* want coders in the leadership. This makes a lot of difference in evaluating your position.

Vittorio,

The word "coder" is a somewhat insulting way to refer to software developers. Please stop. This vocabulary implies a hierarchy in which the specifications are developed by superior specification writers, then handed down to subservient "coders" who merely translate it into computer code. This is a very reductive way of considering software development. For example, it completely discards the interaction between implementation, deployment, testing, and user feedback. In the IETF, the writing of good specifications has always benefited from such interactions, and we want that to continue.

-- Christian Huitema


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