> On Dec 30, 2020, at 12:08 AM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> 2/ Agree with Bob that online meetings make it a lot more difficult to participate when the time doesn't agree with the local time. IETF 109 was 9pm-3am for me too, I chose to skip due to day job obligations. > > This is a consistent message from US participants, but one that I do understand. > > Given that attending F2F would require a week of OOO, ie with IETF getting priority and day job often postponed, why does the fact that it is virtual mean that IETF becomes secondary? I can only explain my own case: being on a work-related trip is well understood, one legitimately reschedules teaching and sheds off all other meetings (academics have lots of them:) for the duration of the trip. But being home is being home, expected to carry on day jobs as usual; the concept of attending online meetings being equivalent to OOO seems yet to be established (dont know if big companies have adjusted the expectation). This is on top of the issues people have mentioned: your surroundings and surrounding people go by local time, making sleep hour adjustment (to remote meeting time) difficult, a big factor on its own. (about a consistent message about 109 schedule from US participants: my guess is that 109's 9pm-3am pacific schedule affected US, especially pacific people most? I recall 108 was 4-9AM pacific, which was manageable) Lixia
