On 11/17/20, 11:05 AM, "ietf on behalf of Keith Moore" <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx on behalf of moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Wow. That's incredibly arrogant and shortsighted. I cannot begin to count, for instance, the number of Internet appliances out there (in both consumer and industrial applications) that have http interfaces but do not support https. [JL] It sounds like those appliances have not had any software updates for many years - perhaps a decade or more. Perhaps they are already compromised or soon will be.