Jay, I think it would be good if the Volunteering policy was explicit
that this restrictive clause would take LLC board action. And I would
expect it to say that the LLC would state this if possible when the role
is defined. Just so everyone is on the same page. (I dislike vague
clauses, but at least if we know who that helps.)
Yours,
Joel
On 10/14/2020 10:41 PM, Jay Daley wrote:
On 15/10/2020, at 3:40 PM, Jay Daley <jay@xxxxxxxx
<mailto:jay@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
On 15/10/2020, at 2:06 AM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Thank you for the improvements.
One question I did not think to ask originally.
The policy says "Some Covered Roles may require Covered Individuals
to be explicitly prohibited from acting as community volunteers."
That seems to be deliberately vague. Who decides about this? How
is it communicated / appealed / understood? Can you explain why the
clause is needed?
Yes it is deliberately vague and part of the reason for that is the
feedback received from others that we may want to keep something like
that in place. The clause is basically there in case there is a clear
conflict of interest that needs to be addressed and it the clause is
not there now then adding it later becomes considerably more
difficult. I think it’s a reasonable safeguard should that become
necessary.
Sorry, I forgot to say that this would probably be an LLC board decision
given the importance of this type of action to the community.
Jay
BTW see my next email about the relationship between this and the COI
policy.
Jay
Thank you,
Joel
On 10/13/2020 11:09 PM, Jay Daley wrote:
Thanks again for all of the feedback. A revised draft is available
[1] that addresses all of the open issues and feedback on this
revised draft is now sought. Please note the following:
1. The contentious text has been removed
2. One section, now called "Volunteering in the IETF" contains a
minimal set of provisions around volunteering. This is almost
identical to a previous section that was not the subject of feedback
and has been adjusted to apply to all Covered Individuals with the
meaning otherwise unchanged. The key provisions are:
- an acknowledgement that anyone can also be a community volunteer
- an acknowledgement that some contracts may have restrictions due
to the nature of the contract
- a requirement to avoid conflict of interest from volunteering
- a requirement to make it clear to people what role someone is
engaging in
3. The phrase "acting as an individual" is not used as there is an
argument that some roles do not allow people to step out of them
(mine for example [2]) and this way avoids trying to resolve that or
put rules around it.
4. The important sections on "Community Feedback" and "Engagement
Mechanisms" remain unchanged.
As a reminder, please provide feedback by 26 October 2020 00:00 UTC
using any of the following methods:
* Raising an issue on the Github repository [3]
* Direct to the IETF Executive Director atexec-director@xxxxxxxx
<mailto:exec-director@xxxxxxxx>
* Direct to the IETF LLC Board (not including the IETF Executive
Director) atllc-board-only@xxxxxxxx <mailto:llc-board-only@xxxxxxxx>
* To theietf@xxxxxxxx <mailto:ietf@xxxxxxxx>list
[1]
https://github.com/ietf-llc/community-engagement-policy-consultation/blob/latest-updates-from-consultation/DRAFT%20Community%20Engagement%20Policy.md
[2]
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/6ZgAe1stcpFPlsx3SXOxEEppkLs/
[3]
https://github.com/ietf-llc/community-engagement-policy-consultation/issues
Jay
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