Added as Issue #1 "Policy on feedback to the NomCom is too restrictive" at https://github.com/ietf-llc/community-engagement-policy-consultation/issues/1 > On 12/10/2020, at 1:07 PM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > First, thanks Jay for engaging so promptly. > > No, I do not think the liaison from the LLC Board is the right way for the kind of feedback I am concerned about to be delivered to the nomcom. Two reasons for this. > > 1) If the interaction is with the RPC, it is unlikley that the LLC Board liaison will even know about the issues. Even if the interaction is with you, I would be unsurprised if you had been discreet enough not to raise the issues with the LLC board unless the problem was actually interfering with your work. But that does not mean that it is not useful information for the nomcom. > 1') Even worse would be the case where the person with interaction difficulties was a sitting LLC Board member. The liaison would find it almost impossible to relay the issues. (Yes, there is a problem that the issue will come to the attention of the LLC Board Liaison. That is a different topic. I believe folks are aware that that can serve as a damper on feedback about sitting IAB or IESG members. That is a topic for a different list. And a very messy topic for which I do not know any remedies.) > > 2) One of the complications I have observed for the nomcom in various circumstances is that it is very hard to act on or even evaluate second hand information. Too much gets lost, and there is too much inherent uncertainty about the underlying details. > > Yours, > Joel > > > On 10/11/2020 7:58 PM, Jay Daley wrote: >>> On 12/10/2020, at 12:49 PM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>> >>> I keep re-reading the discussion of interaction with the nomcom. On one level, avoidance of "backstabbing" makes sense. >>> >>> And then I think about interesting cases that the nomcom needs to know about. Creating an example that is to the best of my knowledge completely fictitious, if a candidate for IETF Chair had a history of difficult interactions with either the RPC or the IETF Executive Director, it would seem that the nomcom should know about that. And be able to get the information from the direct participants. This policy would prohibit such direct communication. >>> (Yes, the nomcom might pick that person anyway. The reasons for choices are manifold and complex. I am concerned merely that the nomcom be able to get relevant information.) >> The NomCom has a formal liaison from the LLC Board, which I think would be the appropriate mechanism for this. Do you agree and if so do I need to make the clear? >> thanks again >> Jay >>> >>> Yours, >>> Joel >>> >>> On 10/11/2020 7:23 PM, IETF Executive Director wrote: >>>> The IETF Administration LLC (IETF LLC) has drafted a proposed IETF LLC Community Engagement Policy [1] that sets out how IETF LLC board, staff and contractors will engage with the IETF community, including >>>> * what involvement board, staff and contractors may have in the the development of RFCs; >>>> * what engagement they may have with the NomCom; >>>> * How the IETF LLC seeks community feedback; >>>> * What mechanisms the IETF LLC uses for community engagement. >>>> The policy proposes a new mailing list ietf-admin@xxxxxxxx <mailto:ietf-admin@xxxxxxxx> for the discussion of IETF LLC related matters. >>>> The IETF LLC now seeks community feedback on this proposed policy. Please provide feedback by 26 October 2020 00:00 UTC using any of the following methods: >>>> * Raising an issue on the Github repository [2] >>>> * Direct to the IETF Executive Director at exec-director@xxxxxxxx <mailto:exec-director@xxxxxxxx> >>>> * Direct to the IETF LLC Board (not including the IETF Executive Director) at llc-board-only@xxxxxxxx <mailto:llc-board-only@xxxxxxxx> >>>> * To the ietf@xxxxxxxx <mailto:ietf@xxxxxxxx> list >>>> [1] https://github.com/ietf-llc/community-engagement-policy-consultation/blob/master/DRAFT%20Community%20Engagement%20Policy.md >>>> [2] https://github.com/ietf-llc/community-engagement-policy-consultation/issues >>> >> -- >> Jay Daley >> IETF Executive Director >> jay@xxxxxxxx <mailto:jay@xxxxxxxx> > -- Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@xxxxxxxx
