Re: [Manycouches] multi-site meetings --- the nature of IETF 111 -- SFO

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+1.   I'm very concerned about WGs going off the rails in this way.

On 9/22/20 12:56 PM, John C Klensin wrote:

My major concern with this idea is that it takes us further in
the direction of a collection of WGs, each holding several
online meetings a year (many of them significantly more than
three meetings).  Unless we are very careful --and maybe if we
are-- that can leads to a "we can meet online when we want to,
so the meetings really make the decisions with mailing lists
only for pro forma conformation".  I don't know about others,
but I've already seen trends in that direction since March.  It
also moves the IETF further toward being an umbrella
organization that charters WGs and signs off on their work
rather than one that fosters communication among people and
groups in different, but related, areas of work and thereby
promotes interoperability among different types of protocols.
We know lots of SDOs that work that way; if we are going to turn
into one of them, we had best make it a conscious decision
rather than backing into it via more and more WG meetings that
are independent of each other.

In addition, while many chairs will do better, "let the WG
chairs determine" is a recipe for concentrating a WG's decisions
in the hands of the chairs and their friends/ associates/
cronies and being extremely unwelcoming to people with
dissenting positions, people who are seen as difficult, and
newcomers who don't already have strong affiliations within the
WG.

So let's be a bit careful about what we wish for.





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