On 15-Aug-20 05:30, Christian Huitema wrote: .... > There is something systemic here. We see that behavior too many times. I > was at the receiving end of similar abuses during the RFC-ED discussions > last year and I feel the pain for Alissa, but there are many more > examples. The IETF list functions as some kind of general assembly, but > without any rules of order. The loudest voices dominate the stream and > skew the consensus, which encourages a loudest-voice behavior and > discourages consensus building. > > The question is, what to do? On a previous occasion when this question was asked, the pragmatic answer was the "Weekly posting summary for ietf@xxxxxxxx" which basically named and (mildly) shamed the most frequent or loudest speakers. I notice that this summary stopped on 2020-06-12, and it was never sent by an official IETF tool anyway. Perhaps it would be good to have it back, officially. For the rest, please see the Subject header of this message, so I will shut up now. Regards Brian